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		<title>By: malach</title>
		<link>http://mollycameron.com/2008/11/24/society-of-the-spectacle/comment-page-1/#comment-7434</link>
		<dc:creator>malach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 01:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Negative thinking, don&#039;t you waste your thoughts. Verbal conflict is a waste of words. Physical conflict of is a waste of flesh. People will always be who dey want, an&#039; dat&#039;s what really makes the world go &#039;roun&#039;.&quot; --Jr. Gong

I got a nice shot of you at the Washington County Fairgrounds race.

http://tinyurl.com/6angam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Negative thinking, don&#8217;t you waste your thoughts. Verbal conflict is a waste of words. Physical conflict of is a waste of flesh. People will always be who dey want, an&#8217; dat&#8217;s what really makes the world go &#8216;roun&#8217;.&#8221; &#8211;Jr. Gong</p>
<p>I got a nice shot of you at the Washington County Fairgrounds race.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://mollycameron.com/2008/11/24/society-of-the-spectacle/comment-page-1/#comment-7433</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 00:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Seitan,

I resent your remark in regards to my team that I work so hard to make a success, and let me tell you why.

Firstly, I can see Molly&#039;s initial point and I agree with it. But as you put our name in what you see as wrong, well, I can&#039;t NOT address it.

At Ironclad, we view cross as a reward for our road season. A few of us go hard in the B&#039;s, but most of us are there to goof off for ourselves. We look like we&#039;re having fun because we ARE having fun, and it&#039;s hardly formulated. Whether or not you approve is not anywhere near close to being our concern. I would think it normal if a thousand people congregate, not all will have the same idea as to what &quot;fun&quot; is. As you put it &quot;our&quot; scene had roughly 10,000 people interact with it this Crusade.

And if having fun at cross, as a team of friends that so happens to be visible since we number near 30, then so be it. Turn away if it so repulses you.

Our website is highly trafficked - 4 to 6 thousand a month read our stuff. Our ghastly Flickr page has over 200k image views. We sponsor numerous teams with product, sponsor race series within the community with product and money, and as a developmental team provide a place for people brand new to the sport to come and race road, cx, or mtb. We race very hard, have excellent results for a small team, and have a lot of fun doing it.

And if my riders want to cut loose in a discipline of the sport born from beer, fries, and cigarettes, then by all means I allow them to get as crazy as they want. While again I agree with Molly and see that obviously what&#039;s fun for us might not be fun for all - that&#039;s not the point. What&#039;s fun for us as a team is the point. We&#039;re not hurting anyone, stealing anything, littering, or causing problems during races for anyone. We also field an average of 15 racers per cx race.

And looking at it in that light, I hardly see anything wrong with it. I&#039;d hope you agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Seitan,</p>
<p>I resent your remark in regards to my team that I work so hard to make a success, and let me tell you why.</p>
<p>Firstly, I can see Molly&#8217;s initial point and I agree with it. But as you put our name in what you see as wrong, well, I can&#8217;t NOT address it.</p>
<p>At Ironclad, we view cross as a reward for our road season. A few of us go hard in the B&#8217;s, but most of us are there to goof off for ourselves. We look like we&#8217;re having fun because we ARE having fun, and it&#8217;s hardly formulated. Whether or not you approve is not anywhere near close to being our concern. I would think it normal if a thousand people congregate, not all will have the same idea as to what &#8220;fun&#8221; is. As you put it &#8220;our&#8221; scene had roughly 10,000 people interact with it this Crusade.</p>
<p>And if having fun at cross, as a team of friends that so happens to be visible since we number near 30, then so be it. Turn away if it so repulses you.</p>
<p>Our website is highly trafficked &#8211; 4 to 6 thousand a month read our stuff. Our ghastly Flickr page has over 200k image views. We sponsor numerous teams with product, sponsor race series within the community with product and money, and as a developmental team provide a place for people brand new to the sport to come and race road, cx, or mtb. We race very hard, have excellent results for a small team, and have a lot of fun doing it.</p>
<p>And if my riders want to cut loose in a discipline of the sport born from beer, fries, and cigarettes, then by all means I allow them to get as crazy as they want. While again I agree with Molly and see that obviously what&#8217;s fun for us might not be fun for all &#8211; that&#8217;s not the point. What&#8217;s fun for us as a team is the point. We&#8217;re not hurting anyone, stealing anything, littering, or causing problems during races for anyone. We also field an average of 15 racers per cx race.</p>
<p>And looking at it in that light, I hardly see anything wrong with it. I&#8217;d hope you agree.</p>
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		<title>By: Heidi Swift</title>
		<link>http://mollycameron.com/2008/11/24/society-of-the-spectacle/comment-page-1/#comment-7432</link>
		<dc:creator>Heidi Swift</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 03:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well put, Molly.  As usual.</description>
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		<title>By: jose "brujo" sandoval</title>
		<link>http://mollycameron.com/2008/11/24/society-of-the-spectacle/comment-page-1/#comment-7431</link>
		<dc:creator>jose "brujo" sandoval</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 05:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Molly!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Molly!</p>
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		<title>By: Molly</title>
		<link>http://mollycameron.com/2008/11/24/society-of-the-spectacle/comment-page-1/#comment-7430</link>
		<dc:creator>Molly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a point a bunch of year back where the Veloshop team was so rowdy and fun it was pissing other riders off.

I took note then that my fun is not always other peoples fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a point a bunch of year back where the Veloshop team was so rowdy and fun it was pissing other riders off.</p>
<p>I took note then that my fun is not always other peoples fun.</p>
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		<title>By: seitan</title>
		<link>http://mollycameron.com/2008/11/24/society-of-the-spectacle/comment-page-1/#comment-7429</link>
		<dc:creator>seitan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah I&#039;ve been getting pretty bored with the whole formulated Ironclad-antic aspect of our scene lately.  Really is becoming a sort of myspace-style form of trying too hard to look like you&#039;re having fun.  Make sure to get your photo taken holding up a PBR and pretending like you&#039;re whole team is some sort of eternal wild sex party!  There&#039;s plenty of other teams and people out there doing actual interesting stuff, cheers to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah I&#8217;ve been getting pretty bored with the whole formulated Ironclad-antic aspect of our scene lately.  Really is becoming a sort of myspace-style form of trying too hard to look like you&#8217;re having fun.  Make sure to get your photo taken holding up a PBR and pretending like you&#8217;re whole team is some sort of eternal wild sex party!  There&#8217;s plenty of other teams and people out there doing actual interesting stuff, cheers to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Lane</title>
		<link>http://mollycameron.com/2008/11/24/society-of-the-spectacle/comment-page-1/#comment-7428</link>
		<dc:creator>Lane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 03:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the WU link, very interesting...

Wow the dialers... Hadn&#039;t thought about those for years, and the infamous Kinkos scams... Fortunately I eventually got an &quot;in&quot;...

Dunno? The introverted aspect of cycling appeals? I guess they all come together in some fashion, just a slightly different mix per individual, no revelation there... It takes a certain type of commitment to wear lycra in public... Or bikinis in cool fall weather, whilst consuming frothy malted bevvy... The atmosphere seems similar in ways, a common passion bringing together otherwise disparate people?

SotS = dry. Like you pointed out, take some away, but you do wish for some (or hey all) of that time back... Academic analysis/deconstruction is kinda like watching paint dry: you know the result, do you need the process?

Stakes... Nice, just add customized tape and all of the sudden it&#039;s a different ballgame... Or just &quot;CAUTION&quot;, it works too... I half-wanted some &quot;CRIME SCENE&quot; just for fun, but it might just be the introvert/geek/weird humor coming through...

Red Bull? I dunno, maybe more MONSTER at the cross races? We can get all Sam Hill on those barriers...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the WU link, very interesting&#8230;</p>
<p>Wow the dialers&#8230; Hadn&#8217;t thought about those for years, and the infamous Kinkos scams&#8230; Fortunately I eventually got an &#8220;in&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>Dunno? The introverted aspect of cycling appeals? I guess they all come together in some fashion, just a slightly different mix per individual, no revelation there&#8230; It takes a certain type of commitment to wear lycra in public&#8230; Or bikinis in cool fall weather, whilst consuming frothy malted bevvy&#8230; The atmosphere seems similar in ways, a common passion bringing together otherwise disparate people?</p>
<p>SotS = dry. Like you pointed out, take some away, but you do wish for some (or hey all) of that time back&#8230; Academic analysis/deconstruction is kinda like watching paint dry: you know the result, do you need the process?</p>
<p>Stakes&#8230; Nice, just add customized tape and all of the sudden it&#8217;s a different ballgame&#8230; Or just &#8220;CAUTION&#8221;, it works too&#8230; I half-wanted some &#8220;CRIME SCENE&#8221; just for fun, but it might just be the introvert/geek/weird humor coming through&#8230;</p>
<p>Red Bull? I dunno, maybe more MONSTER at the cross races? We can get all Sam Hill on those barriers&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://mollycameron.com/2008/11/24/society-of-the-spectacle/comment-page-1/#comment-7427</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 02:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just don&#039;t call wearing a bikini feminism.  The side show antics are clearly a cry for attention and my suggestion for getting attention at a bike race would be to race your bike really fast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just don&#8217;t call wearing a bikini feminism.  The side show antics are clearly a cry for attention and my suggestion for getting attention at a bike race would be to race your bike really fast.</p>
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		<title>By: jza</title>
		<link>http://mollycameron.com/2008/11/24/society-of-the-spectacle/comment-page-1/#comment-7426</link>
		<dc:creator>jza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s kinda like how going to a party used to be really fun and everyone would have some drinks and maybe watch a band or dance or whatever and have fun and do crazy stuff.

Now, you go to more parties where folks are ACTING like they&#039;re having fun/doing crazy stuff while their buddy takes a picture to put up on flickr/blog/crazy party picture site or whatever.

So are we HAVING a good time, or are we PRETENDING to have a good time so we can show those who weren&#039;t there what a good time we were having.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s kinda like how going to a party used to be really fun and everyone would have some drinks and maybe watch a band or dance or whatever and have fun and do crazy stuff.</p>
<p>Now, you go to more parties where folks are ACTING like they&#8217;re having fun/doing crazy stuff while their buddy takes a picture to put up on flickr/blog/crazy party picture site or whatever.</p>
<p>So are we HAVING a good time, or are we PRETENDING to have a good time so we can show those who weren&#8217;t there what a good time we were having.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Myerson</title>
		<link>http://mollycameron.com/2008/11/24/society-of-the-spectacle/comment-page-1/#comment-7425</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Myerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, they had a Red Bull tent at that NACT race. You can see it in the picture. That&#039;s exciting, isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, they had a Red Bull tent at that NACT race. You can see it in the picture. That&#8217;s exciting, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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